Jim Power: Yeah, Michael O'Leary is obviously quite annoyed at the prospect of having to pay higher passenger charges to fund the terminal. I mean, I would agree with the point that was just made there, it's not an awful lot of money and I think if a new terminal does actually create a better situation in Dublin Airport, well then it's a price worth paying. But I suppose I would ask the fundamental question: should
we be building a second terminal in North Dublin? I believe that that part of the County and the City of Dublin is already seriously congested and just putting another terminal in there is going to create a lot more chaos .

John Murray: Yeah, and it's going to be plonked in there between a big roundabout and the existing terminal.

Jim Power: Yeah. I personally prefer if they shut down Dublin Airport and built [on] a green-field site some place like Mullingar. The sort of Stansted model where you could have…

John Murray: What, to facilitate MOL? …save on taxi fares?

Jim Power: It's the middle of Ireland, nothing to do with Michael O'Leary. It's a small country. I think it would be possible to build a major state-of-the-art airport, serviced buy high-speed train, decent road network. Bringing it all up into North Dublin is going to create a lot more chaos. And I think for the travelling public on the M50 and in Dublin Airport over the next ten years there's a lot of horror in prospect.

Michéal Martin: I think historically…, we probably collectively over the last 20 years…if you went back 10 years ago and sort of said that Dublin Airport would be this big, and that the growth in the last number of years would have happened, nobody would have believed you. So in many ways the airport has evolved, has grown and expanded in North Dublin and the growth is spectacular. It's extraordinarily busy. Something has to happen fairly quickly in terms of dealing with those capacity issues. In terms of the flow of passengers through, and so forth. So the extension is quite clearly needed. Jim's point about a more.... you know, where does the future hold over the next decade. And I think issues that Jim has raised do deserve consideration, as you look forward. I mean, you may need a second airport, in terms of the southern side or dealing with the rest of Leinster and so on.

Jim Power , Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Murray: Baldonnel maybe?

Michéal Martin …..as population grows, and so forth., I think and these are issues…

John Murray: Is that something, by the way, which has come up at cabinet?

Michéal Martin: It has so, been floated from time to time. And I think these are the kind of issues … because, we have historically, and I remember serving on a local authority where the mindset was almost constantly one of recession and the planning was of a recession mindset, and people just simply did not envisage the type of growth we have had, the inward migration, the growth of population, the growth of the economy and so on. And I just would be worried at times that we
continually have that mindset which understates or underestimates the
patterns of demographic growth over the next number years and what's going to happen. So I think, these are live issues that do deserve consideration.